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Spirit Wind Ocarina
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Author:  TheZ [ 26 Jan 2013, 03:30 ]
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Spirit wrote:
As Ross said earlier I am planning on moving the holes upward for a more comfortable grip, I finally figured out how to move them in a way that is more comfortable instead of less.

I think this is key. The look like they would be a little awkward to handle. Other than that, they look to be coming together quite well.

Author:  Ross Dubois [ 26 Jan 2013, 03:34 ]
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Lovely work mate ^^ theyre looking very nice!
one thing that I definitely wish someone told me during all this development is that you should never fear making an alteration and produce additional molds. (im not saying you should/need to ;)
So if you have an idea of how you can improve ergonomics or playability in general, dont fear producing more molds. I know theyre tedious to make, theyre a headache and the process of sculpting a dud to perfection takes ages but I swear to you, it will speed up development like crazy if you do not hesitate to brave difficult work for even a slight adjustment.

Dont interpret that the wrong way though haha I certainly dont mean to imply you should change your ocarina design. Its just something that plagued me for a while personally. Now i probably make 3-4 molds a month, some of the same design with only slight differences.
If you feel doing one little adjustment could improve the whole thing, TRY IT! try everything! thats the best way to develop in my opinion.

Im really looking forward to your future work man. keep it goin. dont let the pressure of wanting to sell the things get to you prematurely though and keep focused and at it until you are 100% happy with your product as that will certainly reflect in your work. you know, the saying 'the work speaks for itself'.

there ive bantered my silly words of (un)wisdom haha.
keep em coming man and keep up the awesome work! youve got some great stuff so far ^^

Author:  Spirit [ 26 Jan 2013, 04:11 ]
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Thanks guys :D I really like how this form of ocarina turned out. I thought that it really captured the simplistic look I was going for, but I'm thinking that I will probably make another mold one day. They are just such a pain to make! Maybe what I will do is keep working with these and then maybe later offer a different form as well, or maybe I could just discontinue this form altogether. However I will make sure that before I begin selling, I have reached all my expectations of my ocarinas sound quality, ergonomics, appearance etc.

Author:  Spirit [ 28 Jan 2013, 23:26 ]
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Hey guys, just got the ocarinas out of the kiln this morning. I liked how two of them came out, but one didn't quite make the cut :D but that's the point of experimenting I guess. Anyways here are some pics and a sound sample of one.

Author:  Spirit [ 06 Feb 2013, 06:53 ]
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Ok guys, so I made a new mold for a few reasons. One reason is because it helps in allowing me to make ocarinas faster, and the other is that I wanted a more compact shape. Anyways here are some pics. The first pic is of my previous design. This time, I took into account what Ross said about the holes being moved upwards. However, they still may seem slightly farther down then would be comfortable. But I placed the holes a little differently on this mold. The beginning hole for the right hand has now been moved up past the ring finger of the left hand. I have found that this actually is more comfortable for an ocarina with a mouthpiece that does not have a sharp angle like these. Please feel free to leave comments regarding anything you think would make these better. I actually wanted some peoples opinion on whether or not they like this design more then my previous design. Am I moving in the right direction?

Author:  TheZ [ 06 Feb 2013, 13:23 ]
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This model has less of a mouth piece, correct? Could you post a picture of this model and the previous side by side?

Author:  Spirit [ 06 Feb 2013, 14:10 ]
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I can, but it will be a little while before I can do so. Right now I have no bisqueware ocarinas with that design. But to answer your question, the mouth pieces are actually about the same size in length. This one just has a slightly more bulky appearance to its mouthpiece then the other design did.

Author:  Spirit [ 11 Feb 2013, 16:09 ]
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Hey guys. So I just got my new ocarina design out of the kiln today. I wanted to ask you guys if you thought they were perhaps a little small. It can be soooooo hard to work with stoneware clay sometimes because of its shrink rate :D This one came out a little too high of a pitch so I will have to change the thickness of the walls next time. While this one is a small ocarina, the holes are still placed ergonomically. So at this point, does it just come down to preference of the size of your ocarina?

Here are some pics. The first pic is a size caparison to my first design.

Please excuse the picture quality. These were taken on my cell phone :D

Author:  Ross Dubois [ 11 Feb 2013, 16:25 ]
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when i started out making ocarinas I made them way too small all the time as I didnt have any alto C ocarinas to gauge size on. But size isnt actually just a preference unfortunately, it has a drastic effect on the breath slope and volume of the ocarina. You could make an alto C ocarina that is 6.5"L x 4" wide (somewhat a common size for 12 hole alto C) or a 4.5" x 2" even, but in order to achieve that, the voicing and windway would likely be very small. Keep in mind that very light breath ocarinas, while they can sound nice and 'clear' will not stand up very well when accompanied by other instruments. Additionally, when the breath is usually very light, acute bend is almost guaranteed to be required.

Your ocarina looks to be quite small (beautiful and well sculpted though!) and that can give me a guess at how it projects. Itll be up to you though for how large youll want it to be though. The larger the chamber, the bigger and more resonant the sound will be. the smaller the chamber, the smaller the sound but it will have increased portability if that matters to you and can have a nice, sine like sweet tone to it. Give it some experimentation though, try to make a larger ocarina with a larger voicing and windway as well but try to get the same pitch. Aim for C (Bb in the greenware state for stoneware) and remember that you will need to increase the amount of breath in order to produce enough oscillations to reach the correct pitch for the chamber size.

theyre looking really awesome though man, like always, keep up the great work! :D
With the size you currently have, you could maybe even get a louder Alto D ocarina from the design which would also be pretty awesome. Give it a shot perhaps ^^

Author:  Jade [ 12 Feb 2013, 00:26 ]
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Spirit, these are looking really nice :) The only thing that concerns me is the placement of the right hand fingerholes. The right index finger especially. They seem awfully close to the edge of the ocarina which in my mind would cause the fingers of the right hand to bend awkwardly to compensate. The index seems the more extreme though, i would suggest moving it forward to line up with the others. Just an observation.

As for size, i can only reiterate what Ross has wisely stated above. During my ocarina making journey i found myself having to make numerous moulds to make my ocarina design fatter (i had a bad habit of making them too slim in depth). If i wanted a small voicing, quiet and generally light breath requirements, i would have stuck with the slim (hence smaller chamber) design. But i have always preferred louder, more robust and higher breath ocarinas. Therefore i increased interior volume and of course adjusted voicing size in relation. Basically you've got to decide how you want your ocarinas to play and make adjustments from there.

Author:  Spirit [ 12 Feb 2013, 02:33 ]
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Thanks for the observations guys :D As for the finger holes, I thought the same thing when I was placing the holes for this mold, but in the end, I found this to be the most comfortable position. The way this ocarina is made, If I move the index hole up, then it forces the other fingers to bend while the index finger is extended which I found to be uncomfortable. But I do know what you mean, it does seem like an odd place to have a finger hole. :D I think this is because the right hand finger holes have been moved to the left beyond the left ring finger. Normally I make my ocs where the right index finger is slightly to the right of the left ring finger

What I am really stuck on now is making my next dud. I have hit ocarina dud block :/ I am trying to find a shape that is unique, and yet practical. I am jealous of your design kalasinar as it somehow reminds me of wind which is what my makers mark represents :D

I think that I may offer these ocarinas along with my main model (which I am working on) just because I still think they have potential. I really like the size for its portability yet it is still ergonomic.

Here is a sound sample of the scale of this ocarina. I personally thought it was pretty loud after comparing it to some of my other focalink ocarinas. However, I know that is is hard to be able to judge the volume level of an ocarina through a recording. This will at least give an idea of the strength of the notes :D I personally agree with you kalasinar when it comes to abuse on the high notes. I have made mine where it is actually quite difficult to overblow by adjusting windway width, and height as well as the size of the sound hole. This recording is with no pitch bending. And also I am attaching a few pictures of me holding this ocarina so that it is a little easier to see how the hands are positioned.

Author:  Spirit [ 14 Feb 2013, 20:42 ]
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I really need to just get a facebook page for this stuff but I wanted to update a little :D Right now I am working on a dud that will a good bit larger then my last attempt. I think it will also be a little different then what you see from my usual work I also wanted to let you guys know that I just received my makers stamp in the mail today! It looks a little different now, but I really like it. Thank you to Jade for sharing where she had her stamp made. Here are some pics. I will post some pics of my new ocarinas with my improved mark when i have finished my next mold!

Author:  Spirit [ 15 Feb 2013, 03:28 ]
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And here is a pic of my dud so far.

Author:  Ross Dubois [ 15 Feb 2013, 17:18 ]
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awesome makers mark stamp! those guys do excellent work, its where i had mine made as well ^^

that dud is looking pretty awesome too man. it looks quite a bit more ergonomic than prior models youve made.

Author:  Jade [ 15 Feb 2013, 23:31 ]
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Hmm, your makers mark looks like a Celtic Triskele...

Author:  Spirit [ 15 Feb 2013, 23:51 ]
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Wow it does look similar. I had actually never heard of a Celtic Triskele until today. I actually got the inspiration from my favorite necklace that I wear :D

Author:  Spirit [ 20 Feb 2013, 06:15 ]
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Hey guys, so here is what my new ocarinas look like. I just have a little tweaking to do with the windway, (finding the right balance between not squeaking, and not airy) and then I think I can begin the process of selling :D These are quite larger then the ocarinas I have made thus far. What you guys think?

O and there is a fourth hole (left hand), it's just not visible in the pics.

Author:  Spirit [ 24 Feb 2013, 18:52 ]
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Ok guys, update. 7 months ago, my ocarina making got a kick start due to a damaged knee. I am quite active in sports and tore my acl in my knee. There is a long recovery after surgery, about 6-9 months. The first month however is very difficult due to being on crutches, and the pain involved. The reason I am saying all this is because yesterday, I was in a demonstration for martial arts and I may have retorn my acl. :( I will see the doctors within the week to make sure, but I am pretty sure it is torn. So this may be a serious setback for me releasing my ocarinas :(

Sigh let's hope a miracle happens

Author:  KreŇ°imir [ 24 Feb 2013, 18:53 ]
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Get well soon!

Author:  Bas [ 24 Feb 2013, 19:08 ]
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Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear :( . Best of luck!

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