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 Post subject: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 02:54 

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do any of know this book? Really neat songs for ocarina.

Si Hei Lwli Mabi
Cysga di, fy mhlentyn tlws
Croen y ddafad felan
Mentra gwen
etc.....fun


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 13:25 

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I've got "Davidson's Musical Miracles" (a collection of 250 Welsh tunes printed in the late 19th century, reprinted by Llanerch) and I've seen the big 19th century collections of Welsh music - not a genre that really does it for me, somehow. I've played "Flower of the Thorn" on the recorder for a long time, and it also fits the ocarina:

X:1
T:Blodam Drain
T:The Flowers Of the Thorn
S:Dick Rutter, Edinburgh
Z:Nigel Gatherer
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:DMin
E2|D4 E2|F2 E2 D2| A2 GF ED| E4 \
E2|D2 DF EG|F2 E2 D2|^C2 CE DF| E4 :|
E2|F4 F2|G4 G2| A2 A2 B2| A4 \
G2|FE FG F2|GF GA G2| AB AB AB| c3B AG|
FE FG AF|GF GA BG| A2 A2 d2|^c4 d2|\
d2 A2 F2|B2 A2 G2| F2 GF EF| D4 |]


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 14:27 

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Many many thanks Jack. I don't know or understand the differences among the various British countries, regions, but I have begun to enjoy and know some of these tunes. Can you enlighten me as to possible sources and dates of early Welsh tunes?

I'm sure it is understood now that for me finding appropriate music (range of) for ocarina and some of my wide-bore flutes is quite a learning experience. The above is very nice and very easily played/to sight read--ha the kind of music I enjoy playing while grabbing another instrument on the worktable....nice and thanks again. This forum continues to be a source for enlightenment and exchange. Andy


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 14:51 

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Most of what we know about older Welsh music was put together by this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jones_%28harpist%29
http://ia340933.us.archive.org/0/items/ ... 6-2-07.pdf
http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Bardic_Museum ... _Edward%29

It sometimes uses a scale unknown from anywhere else in Western Europe:

X:1
T:The Ebb of the Tide
S:Jones 1809
M:6/8
K:G
D| G2G GAG|(F3 D2)D|_B2B BcB|(A3 F2)
A|_B2A G2G| F2E D2 D| EFG ABG|(F3 D2)\
C| DEF G2||
D| G2G GAG| F2D D2 D|_B2B BcB| A3 F2
A|_B2A G2G| F2E D2 D|(EF)G ABG| F3 D2\
C| DEF G2|]


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 15:49 

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regarding the Ebb of the Tide.....should b flat be played in all the measures?


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 16:22 

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Only where written, as far as I know. You can get an idea of where Jones was coming from by looking at his book. The Welsh harp can do that sort of thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
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am reading such at the moment. How did you send that complete booklet? what files did you use....I've got to learn to do such....and sound cloud too.


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
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As I live on the border, it would be good to add some Welsh tunes to my repertoire. But welsh music does seem to be little known, or at least carry little popularity with respect to irish and scottish music. I did not know most of the known welsh music comes from a single individual.

Jack, your last link seems to be dead.


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2014, 00:20 

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The IMSLP one? I just downloaded it, both the text and music parts.

Andy, I didn't "send" them - I knew the Jones collections were on the web somewhere because I'd come across them a while back, so I just googled and there they were. I had nothing to do with uploading them. (I first looked at them on paper, the National Library of Scotland has them).

My harpist pal Harriet is really into the Ap Huw Manuscript, late-mediaeval stuff written in an arcane notation which is apparently brilliant if you're a harpist. Absolutely no use to an ocarina player.


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 Post subject: Re: Twelve Welsh Airs
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Jack,
These short songs and your information has really sparked my interest. Do I now have questions, especially about scales! My brother lives close and he is enlightening me about medieval music.

More importantly for me is that this music is absolutely grand, ocarina or not. I took 17 soprano bamboo pipes of simple (ocarina range), semi- extended (ocarina plus one note), and extended pipe (same as recorder) to a large city basement where several art folk work---a type of sound chamber. Unbelievable afternoon just going from one flute to another. Then compared those sounds to the ocarina. Here I begin to confuse myself with intended timbre. The ocarina is more difficult for me to play. Of course mine are not all with consistent finger placement or instrument weight---possibly this may make the upper notes more difficult than they really are.

And as I read on other forums and web sites, I will not play an ocarina that requires an acute bend on the upper notes, so I play my limited collection and instruments I make. And as you I presume, I've enjoyed getting the recorders down and trying to play them again.

Thanks for all your input. Andy


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